Erin Conley Fogelberg Destroyed in Debate, Unfriends Victor Part I

Erin Conley Fogelberg: Well no wonder some of your old Facebook friends and some family of yours has unfriended and blocked you,

Woe be unto me! :roll: Someone blocks me in response to getting their azz handed to them in debate... that should show me a thing or two! NOT! 

There are common trends among those friends and family that unfriended me.

First, they are mostly radical liberals that argue based on emotion. They think they're right, but they do not have the facts to support their arguments. When confronted with a reasoned, fact-based, argument, they demand that this argument stop.

They reply with an emotional base rant, and expect you to buy into their hysteria or misguidedness. They expect you to abandon the facts and to abandon reason. Or, they expect you to let them have the last word despite their losing the argument. 

When you refuse, they unfriend you.

Second, [Radical Liberal Brother] lobbied those, that I was arguing with, to unfriend me. Those, in my family, that blocked me, did so largely due to his influence. Both you guys have been close to each other for decades. I knew that once our argument got underway, he would be encouraging you to block me.

Third, they unfriended me as compensation for their failure to argue their point against me. Some unfriended me without getting into a debate with me... because that they couldn't take me on in debate without getting their azzes handed to them. 

I know exactly who in my family unfriended me, and why. It had everything to do with their being butthurt about getting destroyed in debate. They were also radical liberals.

I blocked them in response so that they never come up as a friend suggestion on Facebook. [Radical Liberal Brother] blocked me a second time when I destroyed him in debate on one of our brother's threads. 

When [Radical Liberal Brother] lobbies fellow radical liberals in the family, or among our mutual friends list, to unfriend me, you can't use the "others in his family" angle. More on that later.

Sorry, but such actions aren't going to change who I am.  I will continue to exercise my freedom of speech. I will continue to dismantle liberal/progressive arguments. I will not be silenced. 

Erin Conley Fogelberg: you sound like a uninformed little boy having a tantrum like my 4 year old could have. Just waiting for you to stomp your feet.

Says the person that said this: 

"you just anger me" -- Erin Conley 

Then follow it up with this:

"No need for your novels, just make it short and to the point," -- Erin Conley 

Then follow it up with this when you don't get your way:

"He may be a old classmate of mine but after this last novel I unfriended him and even blocked him." -- Erin Conley

I'm not the one that's pulling a tantrum here. Your own words indicate that you're getting angry and pulling a tantrum. When you don't get your way, you do the equivalent action of stomping your feet. In this case, you both unfriended and blocked me... Actions done in anger.

As with others that I've debated against, you tend to accuse me of having your traits.

Erin Conley Fogelberg: Sorry all just so po'd

Yes, you're pissed off that someone would dare dismantle a propaganda post that you made. You thought you had a good argument, that was until you saw my comment. It was a comment that did the equivalent of posting a Snopes article in response to a misconception post. You couldn't handle that.

How dare someone disagree with you by destroying what you thought was sound logic.

And you don't see your own contribution to this, do you? You reacted with anger. Your actions on that thread, to include your ultimately blocking me, indicate the actions of someone acting in anger. 

This uncovers another problem that I detected in your replies... you have control issues. You couldn't control me, so you blocked me. By logical extension, if I did exactly what you told me to do, and if I didn't hand you your azz in debate, you wouldn't have taken those actions. 

Erin Conley Fogelberg: I know domestic abuse can go both ways

You didn't realize that in the beginning, te wit:

"If all men thought as proper as these young men there wouldn't be domestic violence in the world." -- Erin Conley

Key word... ALL

That's not the statement that someone makes if they think that it cuts both ways. That's the assumption that someone makes if they think that only men cause domestic violence.

Erin Conley Fogelberg: but damn so tired of him going on tangents or even tantrums like a small child,

No, you're pissed off at the fact that you got your azz handed to you in debate. I jump onto your thread and questioned that video's validity as a representation of "what could happen" or of "what actually happens." 

That video assumes that men willingly attack women, unprovoked, when there's a large percent of the domestic violence cases where the men were provoked. 

What you dismiss as "tangents" is me disagreeing with the underlying themes of your video and with your arguments. I did this in a way that forced you to question your own argument.

One of two things is happening here. You're actually clueless about the topics we are arguing about, and you are only seeing this from an emotional standpoint. Or, you're reacting completely from an anger standpoint.

Again, your own words indicate you as someone pulling tantrums like a small child. 

Erin Conley Fogelberg: I may be being harsh

No, this isn't something that's out of the ordinary for you.

Your attitude on your thread indicates that you're the very person that you're accusing me of being. You're acting like a 4-year-old that's pulling a tantrum and stomping his feet. Except in this case, you reacted that way on the threads, and you capped that tantrum by moving to unfriend and block me.

You're blaming your attitude on something else instead of recognizing the actual problem. You have anger, control, stress, low self-esteem, etc., issues. Instead of recognizing that you have a problem, you hint that something else is the problem... and that this is "not" normally "you."

Erin Conley Fogelberg: and I think I know it all so I'm going to write several novels. 

Wrong. This is not a case where I "think" that I "know it all." This is a case where I KNOW that I'm right. Again, I argued from the standpoint experience as well as research I've done on the topic.

You accuse me of "writing novels," when one or two of your follow-on posts constitute being "novels."

This is yet another example of you accusing me of being very thing that I see in you. You accuse me of acting like the "know it all," yet here you are acting like a know it all.

Erin Conley Fogelberg Destroyed in Debate, Unfriends Victor Part II

Erin Conley Fogelberg:  but this is not my first rodeo with him

The last one was when I commented on your photo involving Ms. Piggy and Kermit the Frog. In the photo, they were engaged in BDSM, ala 50 Shades of Grey. Kermit was completely suited up in a privacy costume. I explained the purpose of the privacy costume, and how he didn't need it this time. 

In part of your reply, you said, "Buzz kill." That's right after you said that this photo was for humor purposes. 

I didn't reply to you then, and look at what happened... I stayed on your friend's list. I dare to argue with you this time, and "whack," the ban hammer. 

Again, you demonstrated yourself to have anger, stress, and control issues. The sense that I'm getting, from your attitude on your threads, is you saying this, "Better do as I say or there will be consequences."

Erin Conley Fogelberg:  He may be a old classmate of mine but after this last novel I unfriended him and even blocked him.

No, you unfriended me and blocked me because you didn't like the fact that I destroyed you in argument. You couldn't handle my consistently destroying you in argument despite your demands that I restrain my responses.

The fact that you wrote a novel or two in response to me, after blocking me, shows that you have control issues. It also shows that you are the very thing that you accuse me of being.

The difference between us is that I presented a reasoned, logical, fact-based argument. This is what drives the volume in my replies. You ranted off in tangents because you were emotionally charged. 

You couldn't handle disagreement, you didn't like the fact that I called your video's argument to question.

Erin Conley Fogelberg:  I know of several others that have done the same,

There's one common denominator in all of them, they couldn't "control" the situation in a debate with me. They couldn't handle being destroyed in debate. They wanted me to stop hammering them, when all they had to do was to stop replying to me.

In fact, if you did not attack me for my first response, the entire argument would not have happened. 

They wanted to have the last word, and retaliated by preventing me from replying to them continually when I refused to back down.

People unfriending and blocking me are not going to stop me from destroying their arguments. There not going to stop me from being who I am; from destroying their arguments; and from exercising my freedom of speech. 

The mere fact that they took action to unfriend and/or block me proves that their action did not work to "change me." They most certainly did not stop me from replying to them. These batches of replies on this blog are a cleaned up version of what I posted on Facebook my wall.

I will not be silenced. You'll get your azz handed to you, and you will get proven wrong in other forums. 

You love to "dish it," but you're not woman enough to take it. Also, like these others, you saw that you "lost control" during the debate. The move to "unfriended" was your way of feeling like you "regained control."

Erin Conley Fogelberg:  even one of his relatives have unfriended him and blocked him because of the novels

That one relative that you talk about is [Radical Liberal Brother]. I unfriended him for refusing to stick to the topic of my thread, for refusing to answer my simple straight forward questions, and for actually being the very thing that he accused me of being. 

He responded by blocking me. He eventually unblocked me. Then he blocked me again when I destroyed him in another debate on one of our brother's threads... Despite his claiming that he could not see my posts. 

My other brothers pointed out that he got destroyed. He blocked me in response. Whenever I get into a debate with a radical liberal family member, or someone in our mutual friends list, he lobbies them to block me.

I guess it's easier to "make that mean guy disappear" than it is to come to terms with the fact that you people simply don't know what you're talking about. 

Oh yeah, [Radical Liberal Brother] has been blocked by multiple family members as well. You shouldn't be using him as a reference. 

Erin Conley Fogelberg:  and ignorance on certain issues.

No, you didn't block me for that ignorant assumption. You unfriended and blocked me because you were getting your azz handed to you. My argument forced you to question your own argument, thus putting you in a situation that you couldn't control. 

Unfriending and blocking me was a way for you to gain "control" of the situation. You have control issues. It was also a way to compensate for your inability to stand your ground in debate.

Again, I will not argue an issue unless I've done extensive research on it. You failed to do anything remotely close to proving anything that I said as "wrong." All you did was ranted your opinion about my "acting" like a "know it all," quotation marks used strongly. 

In no instance did you prove that I was the very things that you accused me of being. More importantly, in no instance did you prove that I was "ignorant" of the issue that we were debating. 

Even you acknowledged one or two of my counter points in contradiction to your main theme... of the post that I disagreed with. 

All you've done was get emotional and acted like a control freak. 

You can't accuse someone of being "ignorant" of certain issues simply because they disagree with you. You have to prove it with a reasoned, logical, and fact based argument. I presented the facts, facts that you did not try to counter with your own sources... Sources that I would've also dismantled.

The argument, on this topic, indicates that your "knowledge" of the issue is emotionally driven based on your own experience and your own biases... To hell with what the actual facts say... or with other people's experiences if they contradict yours.

Erin Conley Fogelberg:  Yes in tons of pain with broken leg but this has nothing to do with dealing with someone that thinks they know it all and is ignorant and uninformed. (REPEAT POINT)

You've repeatedly expressed your opinion about what "I don't know," while at the same time repeatedly failed to prove that point. Instead of accusing me of being "ignorant and uninformed," quotation marks used strongly, how about sticking up for your opinion and argue your point using logic, reason, and facts? 

Nowhere in your thread did you do so. You couldn't, because the facts were not on your side. You did; however, have lots of propaganda in your arsenal. You were completely driven by emotion, anger, and the need to control.

You repeatedly demonstrated that you have anger, control, and stress management issues. I would not be surprised if these were contributors to the fallouts you've had in your previous relationships.

I would not be surprised that, in the abusive relationships that you had, you contributed greatly by "poking the bear." 

Erin Conley Fogelberg Destroyed in Debate, Unfriends Victor Part III

Erin Conley Fogelberg: Thanks [Lapdog], just had to vent about his you know. God that pissed me off. Sorry.......

Two things pissed you off. One, you saw a reasoned argument destroying your original post, and your intent. Two, I refused to do what you told me to do. 

You repeatedly made demands on me. Instead, I persisted in destroying your argument. You couldn't handle that. Your ego kicked in overdrive and fired up your emotional hysteria.

The cold hard reality is that I destroyed your argument. One way to describe this is that I cut your azz off and shoved it down your throat. This put you in a situation where you felt that you had lost control. 

You unfriended and blocked me to compensate for your inability to stand your ground. It helped you get a sense of "regaining" that control.

More importantly, you thought that the video communicated the basic "fact." I demonstrated how it didn't. I showed you, via reasoned argument, how their video did not communicate what you thought it did.

I rebutted you as if someone rebutted an urban legend post with a Snopes article.  

Erin Conley Fogelberg: Yes I know, I'm related to one that it went the other way, but there is no way he'd write a novel about what happened.

I wrote about my experiences because you said this:

"I'm not stupid but learn the facts of the person posting this before you go on one of you tangents." -- Erin Conley

My reply made you feel and look stupid, didn't it? :D This is the crux of your butthurt in our exchange. 

That "novel" happened to be me giving you the very facts about my situation that you're demanding of me here. You demand that I do this for you, but when I put you in the situation where you had to do what you demand I do, you accused me of writing novels.

Erin Conley Fogelberg: I hope my throbbing broken leg isn't clouding my judgment

No, don't blame your throbbing broken leg for your clouded judgment. It's not clouding your judgment. I sensed this in your posts in your previous emotional rants that you've posted.

Blame your inability to deal with stress, anger, and your need for control for your clouded judgment. Blame your sense of low self-esteem.

I have a 60% service connected disability with the VA. I recently was involved in an accident where a driver rear-ended me not once, but twice. I consequently was not able to do my military duties that was scheduled in the next few days. That accident aggravated part of that 60% service connected disability.

First, I'm not blaming that for anything that I'm doing on Facebook. Heck, I'm not blaming that for anything else I do based on whatever I decide. Woman up and take responsibility for your actions instead of blaming someone or something else. 

So can it with your trying to gain sympathy for your condition in order to justify your inability to control your anger, stress, control, low self-esteem, and other issues.