Bruce Dignan's Anger Issues 04 -- Possibly Banned Temporarily From the VA due to Anger Problems

Bruce Dignan: Ha, what a loser pecker this feller is in my opinion,

I'm not the one that got temporarily banned from utilizing Veterans Administration medical services due to anger management problems. 

Also, I'm not the guy that's posing with weapons in a profile photo to make up for failures in life.

Bruce Dignan: a weak filthy poser posing as someone who goes after posers,

I run 4 to 6 miles on a regular basis. When I swim, I swim from 1 to 2 miles. What kind of physical fitness have you done? Other than doing your hunt and peck on your computer keyboard?

Your behavior on this thread makes people, who have served, suspicious of your military veteran claims. However, the fact that you got banned from using the VA services in December... and have recently been allowed back... indicates that there's a chance that you are a veteran.

That's just me giving you the benefit of the doubt.

The Veterans Administration hospital, and the outpatient clinics, have signs posted in strategic areas. They'll inform veterans to not to raise their voices and to not get belligerent. Based on what I have seen, you demonstrate poor anger management. Included in the sanctions, against a veteran that has anger issues, is temporary banning from using Veteran and Administration facilities.

"Actually, I rate a "0" star for them. I left the VA health care system in December." - Bruce Dignan

"I just listened to a message from the VA, wonderful and on the ball apparently, like they said they would do, I am back in the VA healthcare." -- Bruce Dignan

This seems to fit your case. You didn't leave the VA system. 

The VA system shut you out after you demonstrated poor anger management. Your conduct here makes it easy for people to doubt that you served. This could simply be a case of you being easily angered. 

Your actions indicate that of somebody that replies completely from anger... Without giving his brain a chance to think about what to say first.

There is an easier way for you to show that you're a veteran. You first have to properly manage your anger, stress, and control issues. 

Bruce Dignan: and the psych talk, straight out of something I'd have expected to hear from the ptsd band wagon at the VA,

Again, I have no working association with the doctors and nurses that you met at your VA hospital or outpatient clinic. They have not seen me face-to-face, nor have they interacted with me online.

If what I'm saying to you is very similar to what they're saying to you, then my assessment of you is accurate. Realize that they and I have come to the same conclusion, independent of each other, just by observing what you do on this thread. 

My observations of your reactions on this thread justify their observations of you in a face-to-face encounter.

You need to quit making this as if the whole world is against you. You need to accept reality. What you think of yourself, and how the rest the world sees you, are two different things. You're seeing yourself through rose colored lenses. Everybody else is seeing you as you are, with no filters.

Different people, not in contact with each other, who don't know each other, see you as having anger issues. Instead of trying to rationalize this, quit trying to make this as if we are "way out there." Quit acting like the world is out to get you.

I'm describing you as you are, not how you want to see yourself.

You have anger management, stress management, control, etc. issues. You need to get help for these issues. The Veterans Administration hospital, and outpatient clinics, have resources to help you with this. You should embrace the help that they're willing to give you.

Your long-term health depends on it.

Bruce Dignan: and its easy for someone to harass other folks when they like joseph don't have his real name, address, and nothing else, I mean, I could do it to if I wanted to.

Actually, I have my settings set to restrict what's seen on my profile. I'm restricting as much information as possible, about me, to the outside world. Consequently, this is why my profile looks like it has "nothing." It's meant to be that way for privacy purposes.

All I'm doing is pointing out to you things about yourself that you refuse to see. Things that you're blinding yourself to. My pointing out to you that you have anger, control, stress, etc. issues, is not harassment. It's me telling it like it is.

Bruce Dignan: I mean, how do you know I haven't tracked you down for a personal one on one conversation?

You see, this is the reason to why I have my information restricted to those who are not friends. 

This is an indication that you have anger, control, and stress issues. You're wanting to have a "one-on-one conversation" with me is an example of this. It's your trying to regain control in an exchange you feel that you have lost control.

Want to physically pay me a visit for a "one-on-one" conversation? You're not going to accomplish it by simply sitting in front your computer. You have to get moving. Get into your car, I live on the East Coast. If you're in Oregon, you have quite a trip in front of you.

Bruce Dignan: I mean, you use facebook and could be tracked down by anyone.

Okay, why don't you prove it? Mosey over to the Facebook open group, The Troops Are Welfare Whores. Try tracking down the "Mac" character that runs that and other sites. If you could isolate and identify who Mac is, and where he lives, then you prove your point.

If not, you're simply trying to regain control by implying a threat.

Bruce Dignan's Anger Issues 05 -- His Anger in Overdrive

Bruce Dignan: Whoa, it is refreshing to see you outright lying instead of misinforming, I have never been "temprarily banned from service" from the VA, I left them for five months volanterily, as I've said.

The only person in this exchange that's lying is you. So far, what I've said has been dead accurate when it comes to your behavior. Likewise, how the VA or others would react to your anger management problems is very consistent.

The VA has a policy against people that get belligerent, argumentative, aggressive, and hostile. 

You fit the profile of the person that loses his temper easily. One way that the VA deals with that is by administering sanctions against a belligerent veteran. This includes temporary banning from use of VA medical facilities.

This doesn't indicate a voluntary departure:

"I just listened to a message from the VA, wonderful and on the ball apparently, like they said they would do, I am back in the VA healthcare." -- Bruce Dignan

That message indicates that you were let back in. Your statement indicates such as well. You didn't say, "I returned to the VA healthcare."

Also, your stating that you don't have anger management problems is either a flat out lie or you being in denial.

The only person that's engaged in a misinformation campaign is you.

Bruce Dignan: I find it interesting you took only two days from my post to seeing this after two weeks of no activity, I don't believe you receive alerts from facebook about me posting, but I believe the roseburg va does,

Those two weeks of inactivity, when it comes responding to you, resulted in you not replying to me back then. You're the one that had almost 2 weeks of non-activity. It didn't take long for me to reply.

Yes, I receive feedback on this thread whenever you or anybody else replies after me. 

You don't have to be the thread starter to receive feedback if anybody replies to your thread. Anybody that replies to a thread, after you, will receive an email notification if someone replies after them... Unless you turn that option off.

I leave that option on, I read your replies in my email inbox, they're entertaining.

Bruce Dignan: so I sort of am 50/50 on the fence as to whether or not I have been able to ferret you out as to who you are.

I'm 100% sure that you do not have a clue as to who I am. None of your attempts, to figure out who I am, or what I do, came close to what I actually do. But again, you don't have a clue about who you are. 

You think that you're this guy, an average guy, that's a "victim" of the system. You're so blinded by your opinion of yourself. You don't see that your anger management problem is what causes you heart aches when it comes to dealing with the VA or with other people.

I won't be surprised if people distanced themselves from you both on Facebook and in real life.

Bruce Dignan: And no, I still have a problem even reading you stuff, I don't want to, it started out with a lie, so I decided no use in wasting my time.

You have a problem reading my stuff because I'm not saying the things that you want me to say. I'm saying things to you that you don't want to hear. So, your arrogance sets up stress shields. These stress shields prevent you from seeing what I'm actually saying.

You don't seem to understand anything that I'm saying. This stems from you reading my replies with anger. My responses hold you accountable. This contributes to you having heart aches on this thread.

Bruce Dignan:  So, how long have you worked in healthcare for the veterans administration, and how much do they pay you?

I don't work for the VA healthcare, or for any other healthcare industry. The only thing I get paid from the VA is my disability compensation. I have no work experience with them. I don't even have healthcare related experience, or certification, to work in the VA healthcare system.

If you walk the walk, and put the money where your mouth is at, and you do come over to the East Coast, you'd see that. Heck, if you are able to get information on me, you'd know that. But you don't. More on that later.

Bruce Dignan: AS for myself, I'm back in va care, getting medicines, and even met up with a wonderful caring professional doctor, a temporary one unfortunately,

I won't be surprised if that doctor specializes in dealing with people with anger management problems. Yes, you're "back" with the VA healthcare as opposed to you "returning on your own free will".

Your behavior suggests that you've been temporarily banned from going to the VA. The period of banning may have ended. Perhaps this is close to reality, and my making this suggestion makes you think that I "work" with the VA healthcare system.

If you are insisting that I "work" there, then something, somewhere behind your mind, is telling you something. Naturally, you assume that someone "in the know of your banning" is posting. This isn't the case.

Bruce Dignan: see, people like me who care about veterans and spoke up about problems brought about "change", which is more doctors and nurse practitioners at my local clinic and other improvements,

No, you don't care about other veterans. You just care about yourself. Your anger management problem indicates that. You have this excessive pride about you that, if you don't get what you want, you become belligerent.

When you get slighted, either at the VA system or elsewhere, you find a way to make it as if the entire veteran community was slighted. If you advocated for improvements at your local clinic, it was done for yourself. You didn't do this for other veterans. 

You associate yourself with other veterans. You associate slights against you as attacking other veterans, because your pride is running in overdrive.

There's an excellent chance that people who are more levelheaded, mature, and better able to manage anger, brought about those changes. They probably ignored your anger outbursts and continued to go on their own path. It took the professional efforts of others to cause that change.

Bruce Dignan: errrrrr, if you work for the va for instance, ummmmm, you might be mighty upset about having to be accountable for your va work instead of collecting a paycheck.

But, I do not work for the VA. This does not apply to me.

However, my arguments against you is forcing you to be accountable for your own actions. You know that you have anger management problems. Your arrogance is going to argue against that. You, reading my posts, are starting to doubt your own high opinion of yourself.

Bruce Dignan:  Its real interesting how I got a heckler on just being a veteran talking about va issues,

Here you go again, refusing to see what others see in you. Instead, you try to find problems in others.

No, you don't find it interesting. 

You find me annoying don't you? You simply want me to go away. When I don't, when I keep coming back, you get even more annoyed.

I indicated, in my last post, that there's a good possibility that you're a veteran. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. I simply stated that your attitude makes it hard for people to believe that you're a veteran. 

If you simply restrain your anger, address people here based on what they say, and not on what you think they said, you might gain more credibility.

I'm not the only one on this thread that doubted your service. I won't be surprised if others have asked you for credentials when you claimed to be a veteran. 

Bruce Dignan's Anger Issues 06 -- Possible That He was Picked on as a Kid

Bruce Dignan: it doesn't bother me,

Actually, it bothers you. You're used to being in control. When you go into one of your anger outbursts against other Facebook users, most of them simply ignore you. You interpret that as a "victory." 

Then I jump on this thread. I keep hammering you instead of leaving in response to your hostility. I do this no matter what you do.

That bothers the hell out of you.

Bruce Dignan: and gives me entertainment.

No, the only one in this interaction that's getting entertainment for this is me. I laugh every time I see your replies. In fact, I look forward to reading them. They're a form of entertainment. 

When you reply to me the way you have replied to me, I know that I've gotten under skin.

Herein lies your problem. This problem resulted in many frustrations in many of your interactions. It's easy to get under your skin. You react in a way that's entertaining when people get under your skin. 

Therefore, people make you react a certain way because they're entertained by your reaction. 

Throughout your life, people have spun you like a top. During your outbursts, whether that was verbal or in writing, you reacted in a way that you thought would stop people. Instead, you reacted in a way that made people laugh.

You come across as someone that has been picked on when he was growing up.

Bruce Dignan: You on the other hand, you should think seriously about what you are doing,

I think seriously about what I'm doing. I'm having a lot of fun taking your arguments apart. You have control issues. When I reply to you, and take your reply apart like this, I put you in a condition where you feel like you have lost control.

Every statement I made, every word, every paragraph, etc., has a purpose. With you, they served those purposes wonderfully.

Bruce Dignan: I mean, I aint the only one with problems with the va,

Nobody's arguing about whether people are having issues with the VA or not. As a consumer using VA health services, I'm a satisfied customer. Like what I indicated earlier, the issues are taking place at the regional level. Some regions have good quality VA care, others don't.

But, our interaction isn't about those issues. It's about you.

Bruce Dignan:  and you are like sort of defending an agency that has made national news, scandalous news over the past several years,

No Bruce, I'm not defending the VA as a whole. I'm not denying that those events happened. 

This exchange between the two of us is not about the VA scandals. It's about you. You didn't take it well when I started asking you questions about your military service. You did not take that very well when I indicated that you have anger management issues. 

Apparently, others have told you that you have anger problems. I'm not defending the VA. I'm simply informing you that you have anger management problems. You have control, stress, and other issues.

Bruce Dignan: like a brainwashed democrat liberal grass roots activist who is paid to do such, or an employee of the va as stated.

No, nobody is paying me to post on these threads. I'm doing it on my own free will. I'm not associated with the local VA in your area in any way, shape, or form.

But again, you have no defense against me accurately pointing you out as someone with anger, control, stress, and other types of issues. Instead of arguing against that, you "clump" me with other groups of people.

It's easier in your mind, and it gives you a sense of control, even if it means you abandon the argument.

Bruce Dignan: go ahead, keep on posting, I think I will continue to post as well, you liar, I can say that as proof you are a liar, since you claimed I was temporarily banned, a lie.

You got mad when I said that, just as I expected you would. This theme keeps showing up throughout your reply. That got a little deeper under your skin, didn't it?

I won't be surprised if this was close to the truth. Your reaction shows how one would react when they lose control. Do continue to demonstrate that you have the inability to control your anger.

You have an anger and stress management problem. I recommend that you get help for them.

Bruce Dignan: Technically, one of my veteran friends,

You state "one of my veteran friends." I sense a Freudian slip with referring to the group of veterans as a set independent of you. So, you say "veteran friends" as opposed to something like, "One of my fellow veteran friends," or, "A friend of mine who is also a veteran." 

You're speaking from a mindset of somebody that is "outside the veteran group".

I would not be surprised if you are a veteran who got temporarily banned from the VA for anger issues.

Bruce Dignan: one who has done research on the net and skilled,  gave me some interesting information about "you", a few people are concerned about this, as well they should be, but it aint important for me to talk about your race, marriage status, kids, and where all this is coming from, and a few other things,

That's because you're lying and none of that happened. You have no clue about me or my family. 

First, I'm calling your bluff. Why don't you tell me here what your "veteran friend" told you about me? This is a change in direction from what you said earlier:

"I mean, how do you know I haven't tracked you down for a personal one on one conversation?" - Bruce Dignan

You talk about how you would do something. When I called your bluff, you replied with a statement about one of your "veteran friends" who allegedly does these things.

Second, go for it, tell me here, or via PM, what your friend told you about me. If you can't do that, you will have proved to others reading this that you're a habitual liar.

Bruce Dignan: you already made a big mistake in your new opening line, a pure lie, unbelievable, I expected more.

Here you go again, going in overdrive. You're arguing against the concept of you being banned from going to the VA for your anger issues. The only person here, that's making mistakes, is you.

Bruce Dignan: Ya see, I want everyone else who reads these to read this, talking to you personally through your bogus facebook page wasn't productive, you'd come straight to here.

I originally replied to this thread. You responded both, on this thread and via PM. I replied to you both via PM and on here. You sent the PM to me in hopes that this exchange would remain private and not be in the open.

Bruce Dignan's Anger Issues 07 -- Threatens Victor with Face-To-Face Confrontation

Bruce Dignan: My friends were right, you are just a basic internet troll, and I should stop wasting five to ten minutes of typing, but I am so bored.

Your friends and family know that you have anger management issues. They know that confronting you directly about these anger management issues would only get more anger outbursts from you.

They know, more than I do, how intense your anger management breakdown is. They may have seen you having aneurysms. They probably suspect that you are screaming at your computer screen right now.

They know you. They're trying to encourage you to ignore me. They are hoping that if you ignore me, you won't have your aneurysms. If you don't ignore me, they envision you yelling and screaming at the computer screen.

This isn't about you being "bored." This about you having an excessive need for control. This is about you losing control of your anger easily.

Bruce Dignan: Speaking of people across the country, one more point, I have volunteered several times as co driver for long haul truck driving,

How about volunteering your time to an anger management therapist? And to an anger management class? Imagine a goal of better anger management control as a long-distance truck driving trip.

Controlling your anger is not going to happen overnight. It's going to involve years with the therapist. It's going to involve you attending anger management classes, as well as stress management classes. 

It will take a long time, but you have the ability, and should have the patience, to do it.

Bruce Dignan: I worked out a auction problem once in arkansas, well, I called the guy twenty miles away for a face to face to work out a problem and it was solved right there on the phone,

Well, if you were to call me on the phone... and you approached me with your anger management problem... I highly doubt that we would get anything done or resolved over the phone. 

If you want to have a face-to-face, I look forward to it.

Bruce Dignan: I mean, "if", haha, you were indeed on the east coast, I could call and get into some long haul deliveries anywhere in the country,

"If," haha, your "veteran friend" did some research and found out about me, you would not be laughing at my statement that I live in the East Coast. But, since you're laughing at the idea that I live on the East Coast, I highly doubt that you have anybody that has done research on me... And who has provided you with information on me.

This just proves, again, that you know no bounds when it comes to lying about things. You lie as part of your effort to regain control.

However, since you talk about the ability to go anywhere in the country, what are you waiting for? How about you quit bragging about what you're capable of doing, and you actually do what you say you intend to do?

Volunteer for a delivery to the East Coast. I will gladly meet you face-to-face. Chop chop, I'm waiting.

Bruce Dignan: I'm still licensed, bonded, no longer personally insured, and the companies generally provide the insurance depending on deiivery of item/items, primary or co driver status. I like to co-drive deliver down south though, jumbolia, souther cooking, all expenses paid, ah well, ya know, I have some old injuries that make driving regular almost impossible, due to neck problems and pain on one side of my body. But my point is, yeah, I can indeed travel, I even have a passport and certification for delivering freight across the border north.

Okay, how about you quit bragging and you do what you say you're capable of doing? Actually get one of these things going so you could come over to the East Coast. You can't accomplish that if you just sit there and brag about things. 

I don't buy into this statement that you suffer pains that prevent you from traveling... When you close that same statement by saying that you're capable of traveling.

Again, I will gladly meet you face-to-face.

Bruce Dignan's Anger Issues 08 -- Defeated, Deflects His Own Traits onto the Victor

Bruce Dignan: Oh my lord, ...."scary",

What's "scary" to you is that I refuse to let up on you. Also, I'm presenting my replies to you in a way that's causing you to question your own opinion of yourself. You put yourself on a pedestal, but my replies are forcing you off that pedestal.

I use analytical reasoning to knock you off your pedestal.

Bruce Dignan: you suffer from a psychiatric term called "transferrence",

The only person, in this exchange, that's guilty of engaging in transference is you. Your reactions indicate a sort of panic. I hammer the crap out of you, you end up replying by borrowing many things I said about you... Then turning that around to use them on me.

Transference, in this case, is you applying to me the emotions that you had against someone else in your life.

Your behavior suggests someone that was abused as a child. When I hammered the crap out of you on this thread, I triggered a series of emotions out of you that made you feel like when you were a kid. You may have been abused as a kid, or you may have been picked on by the other kids when you were growing up.

It's like what I said in my previous reply, there's a good chance that you were picked on when you were a child. You felt helpless back then, and you're feeling helpless now.

I wouldn't be surprised if your attitude toward the other posters here is you "paying society back."

Bruce Dignan: which is getting crazy radically angry saying I might have the symptom,

You're the one engaging in deflecting. Someone accurately points out certain characteristics that you've been displaying. Instead of acknowledging that you have those characteristics, you "deflect" and suggest otherwise. In this case, instead of coming to terms with your demons, you're suggesting that I have those issues.

That's not the case.

Bruce Dignan: but really you suffer from rage, a dangerous rage, I don't doubt you have a criminal record. I mean, the police were right in a way, I shouldn't get involved myself due to the dangers of the internet, the nutjobs, the psychos out there, etc. You aren't normal, ....you know that right? get help,

Bruce, with the volume of my replies, I subjected you to what you subjected to the others. Other people on this thread provided you with recommendations. In response, you replied with volumes.

I turn around and reply to you in volume. I gave you the same treatment that you gave the others. Your response? You applied attributes to me the others have applied to you. In other words, I subjected you to the taste of your own medicine. 

In response, you came up with the analysis, and recommendation, that I've previously given to you.

There was a purpose behind my replying to you the way I did. Now you see why others are saying that you need help with your anger management issues. You have anger, emotional, control, stress, etc. issues. You need to resolve those.

I don't suffer from any rage, and I do not have a criminal record. However; there's an excellent chance that you have a criminal record. There's a very good chance that you were temporarily banned from using VA hospital services because of your anger.

Your attitude on this thread indicates someone that gets belligerent when he doesn't get his way. This usually extends toward antisocial behaviors which includes breaking the law.

It's like what I indicated earlier in this thread in my replies to you. You are deflecting your own traits onto me and onto others on this thread. What you describe of me, and of others that don't do things your way, is an accurate analysis of who you are.

My impression from you is that you are full of rage. This stems from your failure to control your anger. Your failure to control your anger stems from your failure to manage your anger. Your failure to manage your anger stems from your failure to manage your stress.

Again, you need help. You need help managing your anger and stress. You have all this rage built up inside of you. I'm not the one that you are describing on this thread. You're describing yourself. Your opinion of me is the opinion that people have of you here and elsewhere.

Bruce Dignan: maybe you have ptsd psychotic episodes, I know you do.

I utilize the volume reply tactics to you that you utilized against others. This is one of your conclusions. Based on your statement, you perfectly understand why the folks at the VA suggested that you get help: 

"you war veteran, you needy councelling/ptsd, where I declined, punished about fifteen minutes later with a second drug test, and a bogus trip up to portland supposedly for a heart stress test and talk to doctor concerning my new catscan, only it turns out to be a psych test." - Bruce Dignan

"and the psych talk, straight out of something I'd have expected to hear from the ptsd band wagon at the VA," -- Bruce Dignan

Again, you're describing in me what others see in you. Your conclusions, based on what you describe of me? These are some of the same conclusions that others have come with regards to you.

You don't realize it, but your subconscious is coming up with solutions for you. What is your subconscious really telling you? It's telling you that you have all those anger and rage issues that you accuse me of having. Your subconscious is telling you that you need help.

We've also been telling you that you need help for it. The folks at your VA hospital/outpatient clinic, and I, came to this conclusion independently of each other. We are not associated with each other.

When you have two independent conclusions... made by people not having anything to do with each other... saying that you need help... that should tell you that you need help.

The more I hammer you, the more your subconscious comes out.

Bruce Dignan: You shouldn't be allowed use of the internet,

What you're really saying is that I should not be allowed to continue to hammer you. You're saying that I should not be allowed to continue to present an argument that forces you to question your own opinion about yourself. I present this argument in a way that forces you to see that you're wrong, and that you have all these issues.

The more I hammer you, the harder it is for you to suppress what your subconscious is trying to tell you.

Bruce Dignan's Anger Issues 09 - His Sub-consciousness Is Trying to Tell Him to Get Help

Bruce Dignan: it aint good for you.

What you're really saying is that it's not good for you... That my hammering you, and forcing you to see that you are the one with the problem, is "not" good. However, I see it as being good.

The more I hammer you, the more your subconscious tells you the very things that others have been telling you.

Bruce Dignan: And if you feel like hurting yourself, or hurting others, you need to call that veterans hotline, and I mean soon, that is my "caring" side accidently coming out, I mean, this aint normal coming from someone, what you are doing.

The only "hurting" that's being done is me hurting your opinion of yourself. Understand that when you describe me in such a way, your subconscious is describing you. What's really going on here is that you feel like you were hurt by me, or by someone, for my hammering you here.

You want me to stop doing this. You've even threatened or suggested that you would come meet me face-to-face. I'm still waiting for you to come over to meet me face-to-face.

I would not be surprised if your VA health team told you to not give up taking your medicines.

Bruce, your subconscious is telling you what you should be doing. How about doing what you subconscious is telling you? Call that hotline and get yourself some help.

Bruce Dignan: Here, make sure to call your local va, IF you are a veteran, they start out with some sort of suicide/ptsd hotline 1 800 number, I mean, call them and get some help, I mean, if you are suffering,

You do realize that you proved the following statements of yours false, do you? What you said earlier:

"Technically, one of my veteran friends, one who has done research on the net and skilled,  gave me some interesting information about "you", a few people are concerned about this, as well they should be, but it aint important for me to talk about your race, marriage status, kids, and where all this is coming from, and a few other things," -- Bruce Dignan

"and its easy for someone to harass other folks when they like joseph don't have his real name, address, and nothing else, I mean, I could do it to if I wanted to. I mean, how do you know I haven't tracked you down for a personal one on one conversation?" -- Bruce Dignan

You see, if it was easy to track down somebody on the Internet, and to find out who they are, you would've found that I'm a veteran. You would not be expressing doubt. What's interesting is that you're describing your own traits as those of the person that you are arguing with.

That's you piling your lies one on top of each other. You're not all that you're bragging about. You're just fluffing up feathers in an attempt to stop me. I will continue to hammer you, I will continue to dismantle your arguments.

In reality, the advice that you're giving me, consciously, on this thread, is advise that your subconscious is giving to you. My arguments are forcing what your subconscious knows about you towards your consciousness.

That's a start.

Bruce Dignan: I don't get any pleasure from riling you up,

No, you are not here trying to "rile" me up. You are here hoping that your rants will "shut me up." You are getting frustrated that your rants are not doing that. You make it sound like what you're doing is a necessity, but it's you trying to pad your ego.

You don't get any pleasure from my forcing you to see yourself as you actually are.

Bruce Dignan: but you have got to stop these tirades, it scares other people and you might not realize it.

You want me to stop because I'm presenting my argument in the way that is forcing you to abandon how you would like to see yourself. It's forcing your subconscious to the consciousness. You want me to stop before you lose more control.

You're scared because your losing control will lead to you seeing yourself in a way that you do not want to see yourself... You are afraid that you will have to come to terms on your true nature.

I know precisely what I'm doing here. You will benefit in the long run from what I'm doing. The sooner you see yourself as you actually are, the sooner you'll see that you are the very things that you describe me.

The sooner you see that, the sooner you will seek help and guidance. The VA can help you if you are in the system.

It's you who does not realize that you are scaring people around you. Again, I won't be surprised if people are isolating you both in the real world and online. All roads lead to your behavior and to your inability to control your anger.

Bruce Dignan: Oh my lord, I actually read some of your stuff, and you are sick, you are basically using transferrence for sure, I mean, you need help, and I mean, bad bad. Everything you are like hypothesizing and fibbing about me, IT REALLY IS ALL YOU, meaning you are describing yourself.

My last series of replies got you closer to seeing yourself as you actually are, and not for what to see yourself as. 

When you say, "oh my Lord," you're in a panic mode. You would like for me to stop, and for me to go away. I'm refusing to do that. Instead, I keep hammering you hard and forcing you to see you for what you actually are.

So, to defend yourself, you accuse me of describing "myself" in the process of me describing you. What you are doing here is defensive. You're deflecting your own traits onto me. Listen to yourself. Read your series of replies and know that you are talking about yourself. 

Know that your subconscious is trying to tell you something. It tried to tell you that you are not what you see yourself as. My replying to you is helping your sub-consciousness tell you who you really are.

I'm not the only one here that sees that you are in terrible need of help. I'm not the only one here that sees that you tend to project your traits onto others. The fact that you complained that your VA suggests that you do get counseling speaks volumes.

When you turn around and project your traits onto me, and demand that I get some help, you're telling yourself to get help. In your mind, if you see that I have the problems that you actually display, you could convince yourself that the problem is not with you.

More than one person have told you that you have the problems that you accuse me of having. These people are independent of each other. You refuse to see yourself for what you actually are. My replies to you are forcing you closer in that direction.

This scares you. Your ego does not want to let it happen. I do know that the more I hammer you, the more you see yourself for what you are and not for what you want to see yourself as.

You're the one that needs help, bad. You need help managing anger, stress, desire for control, etc. You have low self-esteem issues. My saying to you what you don't want to hear about yourself is putting a lot of stress on you. You're accusing me of having the very traits that you have is your way of coping.

Bruce Dignan's Anger Issues 10 -- Possibly "Cheeking" His Psychotropic Medications

Bruce Dignan: You need to get some help, before you either hurt yourself or hurt others, its that simple.

No Bruce, you're the one that needs to get help. Which one of us is posing for a Facebook picture with weapons in the background? 

You're taking an aggressive posture with that photo. You demonstrate anger issues in a lot of your replies. You are displaying anger issues and are sporting weapons. That's a bad combination.

If anybody's going to hurt anybody, it's your wanting to hurt someone or something when you don't get your way. You need to get help for your anger, stress, and control issues before you hurt someone or something.

The sooner that you see yourself as you really are, and not as you want to see yourself as, the sooner you could get that help.

Bruce Dignan: I mean, if you have taken medicines previously and have elected to stop, start taking them again,

I'm not taking any psychotropic medications. Hate to burst your bubble, but as usual you are wrong. However, I will not be surprised if you've been issued psychotropic medications. I would not be surprised if you have neglected to take those psychotropic medications.

This means that whatever it is that you're accusing me of having, you have it. Whatever behaviors you accuse me of having, you're displaying. Your subconscious is throwing you under the bus with regards to who you are.

If you've been issued psychotropic medications, there's a good chance that you're not taking them. This goes back to what I said about you earlier. You see yourself in a way that does not reflect reality. You want to continue doing what others do, so you go without said medication.

If you have been issued psychotropic medications, do not hesitate to take them as prescribed. 

Understand that you are not like everybody else, you are different. You need help, both medically and psychologically. The sooner you get that help, the sooner the quality of life will get better.

Bruce Dignan: I mean, look at what that germanwings co pilot did to 150 passengers recently, due to mental illness, many people died in the plane crash,

Again, I'm not the one with an avatar posing with weapons. I'm not the one demonstrating a lot of anger like you are. If anybody should be seen as a danger, or potential danger to society, it's you. The folks at your VA center see that. I see that on this thread.

You claimed that you are qualified to travel, or to drive trucks. What's stopping you from trying to ram the truck in a way that causes a lot of deaths because you are misguided?

Seek that help Bruce Dignan. The sooner you do that, the better you will be.

Bruce Dignan: and who knows what responsibilities you have, you need treatment for your rage, I mean, this internet rage, it aint right.

One of my responsibilities involves firing an M4 on the firing range. No worries, I'm not like you. I'm psychologically, mentally, and medically cleared to do things like that.

You're guilty of doing what you accuse me of doing, deflecting your traits. Again, get treatment for your anger management problems, your stress management problems, your control issues, etc. The sooner you do that, the sooner you will enjoy life. 

The advice that you were giving to me is actually the advice that your subconscious voice is trying to give to you.

You are the very things that you accuse me of being. The more I reply to you, the more your sub conscience throws you under the bus. The more you start seeing that your views of yourself are just an illusion.

Here Bruce Digan, I'll help you along. Look in the mirror and sing the song, "I'm so special, there's nobody else like me." Keep singing that song until you feel better.

Mac et al, The Troops are Welfare Whores, Interview Part I

Good Idea Fairy: The focus of this group Facebook TV interview is to get to the bottom of the anti-military aspects of Mac's goals with his websites, and to cover the interest areas of a couple other groups here... Looks like we have one or more interviewees running late.

I'd like to get started with the interview.

I'm the Good Idea Fairy. One of our guests didn't want to come in if this interview were to be done by Hans Fallada over at "This Ain't Hell." So, I'm filling in for him. This interview was moved over to one of the Facebook studios.

Starting with Mac, were going to go around the table and let the guests introduce themselves. So Mac, tell us a little about yourself.

Mac: I'm Mac, I run the following Facebook groups:

The Troops Are Welfare Whores
The Police Are Welfare Whores
The Constitution Sucks
Americans against the United States of America

I also run other similar-nature Facebook pages.

Linda Kay: I'm Linda Kay, main investigator of Kay and Associates. We investigate the paranormal. Here are my associates: Robert Quentin, David Cooper, Rhonda Langston, and our honorary associate, Amber Lamps.

Good Idea Fairy: What kind of paranormal activities do you guys investigate?

Linda Kay: We investigate ghosts, demons, UFOs, extraterrestrial surface anomalies, underwater anomalies, etc.

Good Idea Fairy: Awesome, can't wait to hear what you have to say... on to Psul of the Ballsacks...

Psul of the Ballsacks: I'm here for Ballsacks and Associates. We're a group that goes on the Internet trolling people that harass pretend veterans as phonies. My associates are all basically trolling the Internet right now; however, my counsel Daniel Alan Bernath is with me.

Daniel Alan Bernath: You forgot to say, "Over"!

Good Idea Fairy: Over...

Daniel Alan Bernath: Not you Mrs. Fairy, Mr. Ballsacks! This is like what we do in naval communications.

Psul of the Ballsacks: Over...

Daniel Alan Bernath: My clients are being terrorized by those out to get them. These are bullies, terrorists, thugs, etc. I want to get this Valor Vulture conspiracy out in the open. The other client, Dallas Wittgenfeld, will be here, he's running late... Over...

Good Idea Fairy: Late over what?

Daniel Alan Bernath: You're supposed comment when I say "over"!

Good Idea Fairy: Okay, Mac, let's go back to you. Please tell us what your websites are all about.

Mac: There's this unnatural hero worship going on. I want to fight against that because it's unhealthy. To fight against troop worship, I created "The Troops Are Welfare Whores" Facebook group. I did this to combat people worshiping the troops. I also created an open page called "Police Are Welfare Whores."

Good Idea Fairy: But how can they be that, how could they be welfare whores if they get paid?

Mac: With the government dime... I don't need the military, state organized militias, the police departments, etc. We can protect ourselves. They're doing for us what we can do for ourselves. The government steals from us so that they could run these welfare programs at all government levels.

Narrator: Sound enters the room. It starts off light and gets louder... Whomp clunk... Whomp clunk... whomp clunk... whomp clunk...  It sounded like it was coming down from the hall and getting closer to the room.

Good Idea Fairy: That noise is getting intrusive, can security go out there and see what's going on?

Narrator: Daniel Alan Bernath looks at Mac and starts commenting.

Daniel Alan Bernath: As an Honorary Chief Petty Officer, I say that you're saying that under the banner of the freedom that we provided you...

Narrator: The "whomp clunk" noise stopped.

Mac: Pipe down welfare whore, I served in Desert Storm. I did 10 years in the welfare whore active military and another two years at the welfare whore reserve center that should be destroyed!

Daniel Alan Bernath: Well I'm a Vietnam veteran. You better show some respect before my client, Dallas Wittgenfeld gets here. He has no patience for what he calls "millennial veterans," which is what he would categorize you.

Narrator: Psul of the Ballsacks turns toward Mac.

Psul of the Ballsack: If they have This Ain't Hell posters there, that could be arranged! Do you know when your former reserve center drills next? I'll just accuse them of being phonies!

Narrator: At this moment, security shows up, flanking Adrian Parks. Adrian Park's eyes were wide and his teeth bearing smile was ear to ear. That smile and teeth bearing stare were frozen on his face. Adrian Parks wore a colander on his head. He just stood there with that stare and smile frozen on his face.

Security 1: We found this guy in the hallway, walking into the walls paramecium/gnat stile, slowly making his way over to this room's door.

Good Idea Fairy: There's an empty seat next to Mac, go ahead and help yourself to that seat.

Narrator: The security guards walked Adrian Parks over to his seat. Adrian Parks stops before getting to his seat though. With security still flanking him, Adrian Parks turns to Mac. With ear to ear smile, and wide stare, he asks Mac a question.

Adrian Parks: Do you guys serve beans on Tuesday night at The Troops Are Welfare Whores Cafeteria? Every Tuesday night at the place where authorities wear white lab coats, they serve beans on Tuesday night. I live in that nice place. I LOOOOVE BEEEAAAANS!

Narrator: Security sits Adrian Parks. While he is going through the motion of sitting down, Adrian Parks keeps staring at Mac. At this moment, everybody in the room hears a loud "Thud" on the roof. It's followed by a "THUD, WHAM, THUD," followed by a dragging sound across the roof.

Daniel Alan Bernath: That should be my client, Dallas Wittgenfeld.

Good Idea Fairy: Tell us about yourself Adrian Parks!

Adrian Parks: Bee Dee Bee Dee... I served in the Gulf War as a Marine, then I later ran Adrian Parks Incorporated. When the free market economy didn't cooperate with me, I switched to becoming a key religious leader at voluntarism.

Mac et al, The Troops are Welfare Whores, Interview Part II

Good Idea Fairy: What's with the colander in your head? Are you a Pastafarian?

Narrator: With the wide frozen smile and wide eye stare, Adrian Parks replied...

Adrian Parks: Bee Dee Bee Dee... I'm protecting my brains from PSYOPs!

Narrator: Adrian Park's eyes get wider when he says "PSYOPs!"

He turns to Mac and lifts his hands up. He pushes the palms of his hands toward Mac's face and randomly moves his hands all over the place inches from Mac's face. With wide ear to ear teeth bearing smile, and wide eyes, he kept moving his hands at random locations but remaining within inches of Mac's face.

Adrian Parks: Psy OPS!  PSSSY OOHHHPS!   PSSYYYYY OOHHHHPPPSSSSSSS!

Narrator: Mac adopts the "you're crazy look" on his face as he looks at Adrian Parks. Right then, everybody heard something repeatedly hitting the walls in the hallway... wham clunk... wham clunk... wham clunk... It got louder.

Daniel Alan Bernath's coffee showed ripples in response. The noise just got louder...WHAM CLUNK... WHAM CLUNK... WHAM CLUNK....

The noise got louder and came closer to the door.

Adrian Parks: Bee Dee Bee Dee, that must be the idiot that I sold my useless tinfoil hat to. You see, I was outside looking at the holes in the ground to find out which one of them was my azzhole.

Good Idea Fairy: You should've taken a shower before coming here! You would've found it!

Narrator: WHOMP CLUNK... WHOM CLUNK... WHOMP CLUNK...

Adrian Parks: Bee Dee Bee Dee, it's a shame that the meaning behind your name seems to escape you.

But, onto my story. So there I was, in the parking lot looking for my azzhole among the holes in the ground. This man showed up. Apparently, he had the same problem I had. He was looking for his azzhole among the holes in the ground.

Good Idea Fairy: Then what happened?

Adrian Parks: He approached me and started talking about how he was a retired United States Air Force Lieut. Col. I'm a prior Marine. I know a poser when I see one. I had a spare hat that was not working. It was an old colander that I purchased for $10.00. I wrapped tin foil all over it. I asked him why retired Air Force officers wore tinfoil hats at times.

The guy told me that he was not a poser. He tells me that he was in the Air Force and that he was a Lt. Col. He told me that he was a retired Air Force combat pilot, and that combat pilot veterans wore those things to remind them of their combat pilot time.

So, I sold him my spare colander tinfoil hat for $100.00.

Narrator: At the moment, the big screen in a room captured a video of the hallway. They saw a huge man consistently walking into the walls slowly progressing toward the door. He was wearing a U.S. Air Force pilot hat. In the back, it said, "Hollywood."

Right at the moment, Dennis Howard Chevalier showed at the door. He walked towards the group.

Good Idea Fairy: So Dennis Howard Chevalier, why are you wearing your combat pilot hat and not the one that Adrian Parks sold to you?

Dennis Howard Chevalier: Right when that guy [pointing to Adrian Parks] gave up looking for his azzhole in the ground, he entered the building. I was out there by myself looking for my azzhole from among the holes in the ground.

I was doing pretty good, attention focused on the ground, when all of a sudden a guy in a purple skydive suit bounced off the roof and fell onto me.

He apologized for doing that. He called himself "Thunder Chicken". He wanted to know what he could do to make it up.

Good Idea Fairy: So what did you say?

Dennis Howard Chevalier: He pointed to the tinfoil hat that I had just purchased, and asked me how much? I told him that it would either cost $400.00 or a 7 pound block of government cheese. He quickly gave me $400.00 in cash.

Daniel Alan Bernath: That son of a bitch! That was my retainer fee for appearing for this show! That idiot in the purple suit is Dallas Wittgenfeld, OVER!

Narrator: Dennis Howard Chevalier slumbers over to the empty chair by Adrian Parks. He takes a seat. The material in the seat makes protesting noises as if they were going to buckle in.

Good Idea Fairy: Okay Mac, let's get back to you. Why do you say that the troops are welfare whores?

Mac: In society, you have the wealth generators, and the leeches. The military is part of the leach group. They get paid with the money forcefully taken from the wealth generators.

Narrator: Right at this moment, the noise of Dennis Howard Chevalier's chair started to get stronger. When, all of a sudden, CRRAAACK, WHOOMP BUMP...

Dennis Howard Chevalier's chair breaks and Dennis Howard Chevalier's chair collapsed onto the floor. Dennis Howard Chevalier falls back. His combat pilot hat falls off his head and skitters across the floor. Everybody sees the "Hollywood" label on it rotate into and out of view.

Dennis Howard Chevalier: Someone call the Amber Lamps!

Amber Lamps: You're fine, get up and get a stronger chair.

Narrator: The studio staff help Dennis Howard Chevalier into a stronger chair. They clean up the old chair's residue. At this moment, people hear another noise down the hall... whomp clunk... whomp clunk... whomp clunk... whomp clunk...

From the peanut gallery, someone said, "You're full of crap!" Everybody turned towards the peanut gallery.

A giant peanut walks into the studio.

Peanut Gallery Spokes Nut: Mac is full of scrap.

Narrator: The Giant Peanut takes a seat by the Good Idea Fairy. He continues with his statement.

Mac et al, The Troops are Welfare Whores, Interview Part III

Peanut Gallery Spokes Nut: First, Mac didn't serve 10 active duty years in the military. He didn't serve in the combat theater during the Gulf War. He was a USMC Marine, in the reserve. I wished I could say that he served "honorably", but his service was other than honorable.

He got kicked out with an Other Than Honorable, or OTH, discharge for failing to participate satisfactorily. He failed to attend his regularly scheduled drill weekends.

He received way too many "Unexcused Absence Letters." He ignored those letters, as well as his notice of separation packet. He eventually got kicked out, reduced to E1, and was given on OTH.

Mac has been sore about this ever since.

Now, as to why he runs his sites? No. His poor experiences with the USMC Reserve helped fuel his telling lies to his followers. Those sites that he runs aren't really for the purposes that he sets them up for. Well, at least, not for the reason he lets on.

The real reason for his sites is to get attention. He knows exactly what to say to stir emotions. He knows that the title of his pages will inflame emotions and cause debate. When you have activity under those pages, you increase the chances that traffic flows to where you want it to flow.

In this case, Mac wants traffic to flow to his bit coin links.

Narrator: Adrian Parks gets tired of swiftly moving his hands inches from Mack's face. He stands up and walks around the group while sliding his hands inches from their faces while repeatedly saying, "PSY OHPS". Throughout this time, his teeth baring smile, and wide eyes, remain on his face.

Finally, Adrian Parks gets to the giant peanut. But, before he could get his hands towards the giant peanut's face, Peanut Gallery Spokes Nut quickly gets up and utilizes martial arts moves. From the others' perspectives, the giant peanut's arms and legs looked like they were going through the strobe light effect.

But, to Adrian Parks, it was anything but a strobe light effect. It was a painful, humiliating, and sobering effect. Adrian Parks collapsed onto the floor, his colander fell from his head and bounced across the floor. When Big Peanut got done, he put 1 foot on top of a crumpled Adrian Parks.

Dennis Howard Chevalier: Someone get the Amber Lamps.

Amber Lamps: I got this...

Narrator: Amber Lamps shines a tactical amber light on Adrian Parks, and Adrian Parks comes up. A lot wiser than he was, and without the wide eyes and frozen smile. Adrian Parks slumbers to his chair. He takes a seat.

Big Peanut resumes.

Peanut Gallery Spokes Nut: Well anyway, before I was rudely interrupted, Mac is drawing attention to his links. All those people that post on his pages are stooges.

Narrator: The noise in the hallway gets louder. Whomp clink... whomp clink.... Whomp clink...

They could hear the noise in the hallway just outside the room. Next thing you know, the part of the wall that the noise is concentrated on comes crashing down. Dallas Witgenfeld falls into the room and collapses onto the floor. His colander tinfoil hat skitters across the floor.

Adrian Parks says, "Excuse me." He gets up to get his own colander and puts it back in his head. He walks back to his chair and takes a seat.

Dallas Wittgenfled gets up, brushes his purple sky diving suit down, picks up his colander tinfoil hat and puts it on. He walks over and sits right next to Dennis Howard Chevalier.

Peanut Gallery Spokes Nut: Ahem...

Narrator: Both Peanut Gallery Spokes Nut and the Good Idea Fairy looked at the trio with colanders/brain buckets on their heads... The 3 colander stooges, sitting side-by-side.

Peanut Gallery Spokes Nut was tempted to smack Adrian Parks right upside the head to see if it would create a Newton's cradle affect with the other 2. He reserved that as a disciplinary tool in case one of them misbehaved.

Peanut Gallery Spokes Nut: Well anyway, Mac has successfully suckered a bunch of people into continuously participating on his Facebook groups.

He is living very much like the welfare whores that he accuses other people of being. He has no job. He's living in his relative's basements, eating their food, drinking their water, clogging up their toilets, causing drama, and is basically being a middle-aged kid.

Narrator: At this moment, Mac quickly reaches into his pocket and pulls out his phone. He puts it to his ears.

Mac: Hello? Teal?

Peanut Gallery Spokes Nut: You're a phony aren't you? You never deployed to the Persian Gulf!

Mac: But I did! In Saudi Arabia, I don't know if you boys have all been there, but in Saudi Arabia, it's all classified!

Narrator: Mac gets up and walks toward the door. He holds his phone to his ears and pretends to have a phone conversation with his sock puppet, Teal.

Mac: Yeah... yeah... I'm coming over...

Peanut Gallery Spokes Nut: There's nothing on the guy's phone. As with anything else he does, he's faking it.

Narrator: Mac leaves the room, his pace quickens as soon as he is in the hallway headed toward the exits.

Adrian Parks: Bee Dee Bee Dee... He's taken off to eat all the beans, he will NOT hoard all the beans!

Narrator: With that, Adrian Parks leaves the room and takes off after Mac.

Peanut Gallery Spokes Nut: Whose idea was it to bring everybody into this interview? This whole thing went all over the place and then fell apart.

Good Idea Fairy: Well, I thought it was a good idea. I guess it wasn't. This concludes the first interview. We will take care of the rest of our guests during the follow on interviews. Thank you for tuning in.

Erin Conley Fogelberg Destroyed in Debate, Unfriends Victor Part I

Erin Conley Fogelberg: Well no wonder some of your old Facebook friends and some family of yours has unfriended and blocked you,

Woe be unto me! :roll: Someone blocks me in response to getting their azz handed to them in debate... that should show me a thing or two! NOT! 

There are common trends among those friends and family that unfriended me.

First, they are mostly radical liberals that argue based on emotion. They think they're right, but they do not have the facts to support their arguments. When confronted with a reasoned, fact-based, argument, they demand that this argument stop.

They reply with an emotional base rant, and expect you to buy into their hysteria or misguidedness. They expect you to abandon the facts and to abandon reason. Or, they expect you to let them have the last word despite their losing the argument. 

When you refuse, they unfriend you.

Second, [Radical Liberal Brother] lobbied those, that I was arguing with, to unfriend me. Those, in my family, that blocked me, did so largely due to his influence. Both you guys have been close to each other for decades. I knew that once our argument got underway, he would be encouraging you to block me.

Third, they unfriended me as compensation for their failure to argue their point against me. Some unfriended me without getting into a debate with me... because that they couldn't take me on in debate without getting their azzes handed to them. 

I know exactly who in my family unfriended me, and why. It had everything to do with their being butthurt about getting destroyed in debate. They were also radical liberals.

I blocked them in response so that they never come up as a friend suggestion on Facebook. [Radical Liberal Brother] blocked me a second time when I destroyed him in debate on one of our brother's threads. 

When [Radical Liberal Brother] lobbies fellow radical liberals in the family, or among our mutual friends list, to unfriend me, you can't use the "others in his family" angle. More on that later.

Sorry, but such actions aren't going to change who I am.  I will continue to exercise my freedom of speech. I will continue to dismantle liberal/progressive arguments. I will not be silenced. 

Erin Conley Fogelberg: you sound like a uninformed little boy having a tantrum like my 4 year old could have. Just waiting for you to stomp your feet.

Says the person that said this: 

"you just anger me" -- Erin Conley 

Then follow it up with this:

"No need for your novels, just make it short and to the point," -- Erin Conley 

Then follow it up with this when you don't get your way:

"He may be a old classmate of mine but after this last novel I unfriended him and even blocked him." -- Erin Conley

I'm not the one that's pulling a tantrum here. Your own words indicate that you're getting angry and pulling a tantrum. When you don't get your way, you do the equivalent action of stomping your feet. In this case, you both unfriended and blocked me... Actions done in anger.

As with others that I've debated against, you tend to accuse me of having your traits.

Erin Conley Fogelberg: Sorry all just so po'd

Yes, you're pissed off that someone would dare dismantle a propaganda post that you made. You thought you had a good argument, that was until you saw my comment. It was a comment that did the equivalent of posting a Snopes article in response to a misconception post. You couldn't handle that.

How dare someone disagree with you by destroying what you thought was sound logic.

And you don't see your own contribution to this, do you? You reacted with anger. Your actions on that thread, to include your ultimately blocking me, indicate the actions of someone acting in anger. 

This uncovers another problem that I detected in your replies... you have control issues. You couldn't control me, so you blocked me. By logical extension, if I did exactly what you told me to do, and if I didn't hand you your azz in debate, you wouldn't have taken those actions. 

Erin Conley Fogelberg: I know domestic abuse can go both ways

You didn't realize that in the beginning, te wit:

"If all men thought as proper as these young men there wouldn't be domestic violence in the world." -- Erin Conley

Key word... ALL

That's not the statement that someone makes if they think that it cuts both ways. That's the assumption that someone makes if they think that only men cause domestic violence.

Erin Conley Fogelberg: but damn so tired of him going on tangents or even tantrums like a small child,

No, you're pissed off at the fact that you got your azz handed to you in debate. I jump onto your thread and questioned that video's validity as a representation of "what could happen" or of "what actually happens." 

That video assumes that men willingly attack women, unprovoked, when there's a large percent of the domestic violence cases where the men were provoked. 

What you dismiss as "tangents" is me disagreeing with the underlying themes of your video and with your arguments. I did this in a way that forced you to question your own argument.

One of two things is happening here. You're actually clueless about the topics we are arguing about, and you are only seeing this from an emotional standpoint. Or, you're reacting completely from an anger standpoint.

Again, your own words indicate you as someone pulling tantrums like a small child. 

Erin Conley Fogelberg: I may be being harsh

No, this isn't something that's out of the ordinary for you.

Your attitude on your thread indicates that you're the very person that you're accusing me of being. You're acting like a 4-year-old that's pulling a tantrum and stomping his feet. Except in this case, you reacted that way on the threads, and you capped that tantrum by moving to unfriend and block me.

You're blaming your attitude on something else instead of recognizing the actual problem. You have anger, control, stress, low self-esteem, etc., issues. Instead of recognizing that you have a problem, you hint that something else is the problem... and that this is "not" normally "you."

Erin Conley Fogelberg: and I think I know it all so I'm going to write several novels. 

Wrong. This is not a case where I "think" that I "know it all." This is a case where I KNOW that I'm right. Again, I argued from the standpoint experience as well as research I've done on the topic.

You accuse me of "writing novels," when one or two of your follow-on posts constitute being "novels."

This is yet another example of you accusing me of being very thing that I see in you. You accuse me of acting like the "know it all," yet here you are acting like a know it all.

Erin Conley Fogelberg Destroyed in Debate, Unfriends Victor Part II

Erin Conley Fogelberg:  but this is not my first rodeo with him

The last one was when I commented on your photo involving Ms. Piggy and Kermit the Frog. In the photo, they were engaged in BDSM, ala 50 Shades of Grey. Kermit was completely suited up in a privacy costume. I explained the purpose of the privacy costume, and how he didn't need it this time. 

In part of your reply, you said, "Buzz kill." That's right after you said that this photo was for humor purposes. 

I didn't reply to you then, and look at what happened... I stayed on your friend's list. I dare to argue with you this time, and "whack," the ban hammer. 

Again, you demonstrated yourself to have anger, stress, and control issues. The sense that I'm getting, from your attitude on your threads, is you saying this, "Better do as I say or there will be consequences."

Erin Conley Fogelberg:  He may be a old classmate of mine but after this last novel I unfriended him and even blocked him.

No, you unfriended me and blocked me because you didn't like the fact that I destroyed you in argument. You couldn't handle my consistently destroying you in argument despite your demands that I restrain my responses.

The fact that you wrote a novel or two in response to me, after blocking me, shows that you have control issues. It also shows that you are the very thing that you accuse me of being.

The difference between us is that I presented a reasoned, logical, fact-based argument. This is what drives the volume in my replies. You ranted off in tangents because you were emotionally charged. 

You couldn't handle disagreement, you didn't like the fact that I called your video's argument to question.

Erin Conley Fogelberg:  I know of several others that have done the same,

There's one common denominator in all of them, they couldn't "control" the situation in a debate with me. They couldn't handle being destroyed in debate. They wanted me to stop hammering them, when all they had to do was to stop replying to me.

In fact, if you did not attack me for my first response, the entire argument would not have happened. 

They wanted to have the last word, and retaliated by preventing me from replying to them continually when I refused to back down.

People unfriending and blocking me are not going to stop me from destroying their arguments. There not going to stop me from being who I am; from destroying their arguments; and from exercising my freedom of speech. 

The mere fact that they took action to unfriend and/or block me proves that their action did not work to "change me." They most certainly did not stop me from replying to them. These batches of replies on this blog are a cleaned up version of what I posted on Facebook my wall.

I will not be silenced. You'll get your azz handed to you, and you will get proven wrong in other forums. 

You love to "dish it," but you're not woman enough to take it. Also, like these others, you saw that you "lost control" during the debate. The move to "unfriended" was your way of feeling like you "regained control."

Erin Conley Fogelberg:  even one of his relatives have unfriended him and blocked him because of the novels

That one relative that you talk about is [Radical Liberal Brother]. I unfriended him for refusing to stick to the topic of my thread, for refusing to answer my simple straight forward questions, and for actually being the very thing that he accused me of being. 

He responded by blocking me. He eventually unblocked me. Then he blocked me again when I destroyed him in another debate on one of our brother's threads... Despite his claiming that he could not see my posts. 

My other brothers pointed out that he got destroyed. He blocked me in response. Whenever I get into a debate with a radical liberal family member, or someone in our mutual friends list, he lobbies them to block me.

I guess it's easier to "make that mean guy disappear" than it is to come to terms with the fact that you people simply don't know what you're talking about. 

Oh yeah, [Radical Liberal Brother] has been blocked by multiple family members as well. You shouldn't be using him as a reference. 

Erin Conley Fogelberg:  and ignorance on certain issues.

No, you didn't block me for that ignorant assumption. You unfriended and blocked me because you were getting your azz handed to you. My argument forced you to question your own argument, thus putting you in a situation that you couldn't control. 

Unfriending and blocking me was a way for you to gain "control" of the situation. You have control issues. It was also a way to compensate for your inability to stand your ground in debate.

Again, I will not argue an issue unless I've done extensive research on it. You failed to do anything remotely close to proving anything that I said as "wrong." All you did was ranted your opinion about my "acting" like a "know it all," quotation marks used strongly. 

In no instance did you prove that I was the very things that you accused me of being. More importantly, in no instance did you prove that I was "ignorant" of the issue that we were debating. 

Even you acknowledged one or two of my counter points in contradiction to your main theme... of the post that I disagreed with. 

All you've done was get emotional and acted like a control freak. 

You can't accuse someone of being "ignorant" of certain issues simply because they disagree with you. You have to prove it with a reasoned, logical, and fact based argument. I presented the facts, facts that you did not try to counter with your own sources... Sources that I would've also dismantled.

The argument, on this topic, indicates that your "knowledge" of the issue is emotionally driven based on your own experience and your own biases... To hell with what the actual facts say... or with other people's experiences if they contradict yours.

Erin Conley Fogelberg:  Yes in tons of pain with broken leg but this has nothing to do with dealing with someone that thinks they know it all and is ignorant and uninformed. (REPEAT POINT)

You've repeatedly expressed your opinion about what "I don't know," while at the same time repeatedly failed to prove that point. Instead of accusing me of being "ignorant and uninformed," quotation marks used strongly, how about sticking up for your opinion and argue your point using logic, reason, and facts? 

Nowhere in your thread did you do so. You couldn't, because the facts were not on your side. You did; however, have lots of propaganda in your arsenal. You were completely driven by emotion, anger, and the need to control.

You repeatedly demonstrated that you have anger, control, and stress management issues. I would not be surprised if these were contributors to the fallouts you've had in your previous relationships.

I would not be surprised that, in the abusive relationships that you had, you contributed greatly by "poking the bear." 

Erin Conley Fogelberg Destroyed in Debate, Unfriends Victor Part III

Erin Conley Fogelberg: Thanks [Lapdog], just had to vent about his you know. God that pissed me off. Sorry.......

Two things pissed you off. One, you saw a reasoned argument destroying your original post, and your intent. Two, I refused to do what you told me to do. 

You repeatedly made demands on me. Instead, I persisted in destroying your argument. You couldn't handle that. Your ego kicked in overdrive and fired up your emotional hysteria.

The cold hard reality is that I destroyed your argument. One way to describe this is that I cut your azz off and shoved it down your throat. This put you in a situation where you felt that you had lost control. 

You unfriended and blocked me to compensate for your inability to stand your ground. It helped you get a sense of "regaining" that control.

More importantly, you thought that the video communicated the basic "fact." I demonstrated how it didn't. I showed you, via reasoned argument, how their video did not communicate what you thought it did.

I rebutted you as if someone rebutted an urban legend post with a Snopes article.  

Erin Conley Fogelberg: Yes I know, I'm related to one that it went the other way, but there is no way he'd write a novel about what happened.

I wrote about my experiences because you said this:

"I'm not stupid but learn the facts of the person posting this before you go on one of you tangents." -- Erin Conley

My reply made you feel and look stupid, didn't it? :D This is the crux of your butthurt in our exchange. 

That "novel" happened to be me giving you the very facts about my situation that you're demanding of me here. You demand that I do this for you, but when I put you in the situation where you had to do what you demand I do, you accused me of writing novels.

Erin Conley Fogelberg: I hope my throbbing broken leg isn't clouding my judgment

No, don't blame your throbbing broken leg for your clouded judgment. It's not clouding your judgment. I sensed this in your posts in your previous emotional rants that you've posted.

Blame your inability to deal with stress, anger, and your need for control for your clouded judgment. Blame your sense of low self-esteem.

I have a 60% service connected disability with the VA. I recently was involved in an accident where a driver rear-ended me not once, but twice. I consequently was not able to do my military duties that was scheduled in the next few days. That accident aggravated part of that 60% service connected disability.

First, I'm not blaming that for anything that I'm doing on Facebook. Heck, I'm not blaming that for anything else I do based on whatever I decide. Woman up and take responsibility for your actions instead of blaming someone or something else. 

So can it with your trying to gain sympathy for your condition in order to justify your inability to control your anger, stress, control, low self-esteem, and other issues.