Dirk W. Sylvester: Civilians can't take on an invading army... lives in a country founded by a civilian militia.
A civilian militia didn't establish the United States. Corporate ventures, approved by the English Monarchy, either directly or through agent corporations, founded what was to become the United States.
This began the colonial period.
Even during the colonial period, this area was referred to as "our country" or "this country" or "this great country."
What our forefathers and founding fathers saw as "country" isn't the same thing that you, and others today, see as "country". Back then, "country" was more of a locality or region involving the community of the person that said, "country."
That concept still lives on today when we say, "We're taking a trip out to 'the country.'" That's the concept that our founders had in mind when they talked about "country."
Now, sometime after the Revolutionary War began, people started to think in terms of being "independent" from the British crown. Now, they weren't talking about a "United States of America" as a "country" being "independent" from the British.
When they talked about "independence," they were talking about each colony, individually, being individual "states" on the same level as the United Kingdom. In fact, the original term that they used was "These" united "states", as in plural.
If you read the peace treaty that formally ended the American Revolution, you'll see the 13 states being referenced as a group, rather than as a single entity.
Now, about the Founding Fathers.
You do realize that George Washington was a member of a regular Army, do you? That's what the Continental Army was back then, a regular, standing, Army. Yes, he was originally a part of the citizen militia. However, he ended up being incorporated into a regular, standing, Army, during two major wars.
The first one was as an augmentee to the Royal British Army during the French/Indian wars. He started as an advisor based on his knowledge of the lay of the land. When the British Commanding Officer was killed, George Washington was able to lead/coordinate an effective British retreat.
His second time being part of a standing Army was during the American Revolution. He was a member of the Continental Army.
The American Revolution, by the way, was won thanks largely to the standing Armies of Spain and France in alliance with the Continental Army.
Let's face reality... had it not been for the support of the Spanish and French Army and Navy, we would've gotten crushed during the American Revolution. In fact, our "militia" suffered a string of defeats in the beginning of the war following the shot heard round the word.
There was one time, during the war, when German mercenaries come close to capturing or killing the core of our revolution. The British called these mercenaries back before the later could deliver the blow that would've ended the American Revolution.
We owe our victory, of our war for independence, to British tactical blunders, to the combined French, Dutch, and Spanish navies, to the French and Spanish armies, as well as the coalition of nations that supported us under the cloak of neutrality.
The idea that a bunch of civilians, with guns, defeated the most powerful nation in the world in order to make the United States possible is a MYTH.
The United States was founded by a group of people that included veterans of our first regular, standing, army.
So NO, this country wasn't founded by a citizen militia. In the sense that our founders meant "country," we were founded through charters blessed off by the British Monarchy. In a sense of the United States being founded, we had help making that event possible.
My great (6 times) grandfather fought against the British during the American Revolution. My Great (4 times) grandfather fought against the British during the War of 1812. I'm looking at this objectively.
Dirk W. Sylvester, I recommend cracking open a history book, one talking about our founders and their mindset. Do this before you go on with your views of the civilian militia and its importance. Failure to understand the concept and purpose for a constitutional civilian militia makes you guys just as dangerous as a government utilizing a military to abuse people's rights.
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